AIM Chat with Costel Ionita , Meg Onoda, Lyndell Kerley , Rob Krueger , Susan Wildstrom , Jen Roche , Joyce Quella , Mike May , Daniel Shown , Phil Huling , Wasin So , John Willemain , Natacha Fontes-Merz , Lakshmi Mukundan , Peggy Craft , David Schmitz , Jonathan Cox , Steve Hennagin , Kris Green , Bret Taylor .
2:17 PM
Russell Blyth: Good afternoon
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Phil Huling: guten tag
Russell Blyth: QT is up
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2:20 PM
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2:25 PM
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Sarah Raynor: will the participant projects be downloadable from one of the webpages?
Russell Blyth: yes
Russell Blyth: we'll put them on the transcript page after the session
Costel Ionita: prepproject is from Jen, Wasin and Costel
2:30 PM
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Wasin So: speak louder, i cannot hear you
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Susan Wildstrom: Ditto--I thought it was my computer
Sarah Raynor: I can hear you but it is definitely quieter than usual
Sarah Raynor: it just got way louder
Susan Wildstrom: Much better
Peggy Craft: good
Wasin So: thank you
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Bret Taylor: I like him...
2:35 PM
David Burton: Bingo!
Sarah Raynor: it is weird that command-j put you in 1-d mode
Sarah Raynor: on a pc ctrl-j puts you in 2-d mode
David Mazur: aha!
Sarah Raynor: you have to follow ctrl-j with ctrl-m to get into 1-d
David Mazur: I was wondering about that
John Willemain: If your default is 2-d, you can get to 1-d with F5.
David Mazur: also good to know
David Mazur: thanks
Sarah Raynor: who uses menus? 
Costel Ionita: jonathan cox needs an invite
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Jonathan Cox: Thanks!
2:40 PM
Russell Blyth: sorry for the delay
Susan Wildstrom: I don't think what you are doing is showing up on the screen
Russell Blyth: vnc not updating?
Phil Huling: which VNC are you connected to?
Peggy Craft: i'm seeing on VNC fine
Susan Wildstrom: the one with the numbers
Sarah Raynor: mine was stuck but is fine after restarting vnc
Rob Krueger: I had to reboot VNC
Susan Wildstrom: I rebooted too
Rob Krueger: I was using 165.134.13.229:5901
Sarah Raynor: i was on the one with the numbers too
2:45 PM
Phil Huling: ok please let us know if it stops again
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Peggy Craft: my VNC is frozen. will reboot.
Richard Wilders: You can smart plot more than one function at a time. Just list the numbers
Richard Wilders: Correct
Peggy Craft: "list" means inside curly braces?
Richard Wilders: smartplot((16),(15))
2:50 PM
Richard Wilders: That was just to show the syntax
Lyndell Kerley: Why not hot CTRL L to get label and enter number?
Richard Wilders: You can get all the info on this by using DerivativeTutor
Peggy Craft: I think I'm going to be running a lot of tutors in July ...
Richard Wilders: DerivativeTutor()
2:55 PM
Richard Wilders: Note that the tutors show the code at the bottom so you can go right to that.
Peggy Craft: yep, that's why I'll be running them - learning by example!
Russell Blyth: lots of good stuff
3:00 PM
Sarah Raynor: yep, ctrl 1-6 does the same here
Jen Roche: the second partials match without evaluation
Jen Roche: the first need to be evaluated
3:05 PM
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Steve Hennagin: all systems work: IM, QT, vnc
Steve Hennagin: very nice
3:10 PM
Sarah Raynor: is that a compliment? 
Sarah Raynor: Sushi was her original name
Steve Hennagin: Yes, please take it so.
Sarah Raynor: we decided her fate was too obvious
David Mazur: will this be on the test?
Phil Huling: immigration make her change it?
Sarah Raynor: everything is on the test
Sarah Raynor: my kids love that stuff
Peggy Craft: hey, groans mean they're awake!
Sarah Raynor: I should say, the idea for Sushi was Kris'
Sarah Raynor: not mine
Sarah Raynor: not just the name, the whole idea
Kris Green: Actually, much of this grew from an old project a TA friend of mine and I put together
Sarah Raynor: the 3d animate will take a long time
Sarah Raynor: just a warning
3:15 PM
Sarah Raynor: right, sushi
Kris Green: We should have added lables for the two paths...
Phil Huling: that's what revisions are for, and for showing it to us
Steve Hennagin: but do they both arrive at the point at same time?
Steve Hennagin: answer done: wow
3:20 PM
Kris Green: I like this one - could also graph ||x(t)-x2(t)|| as a single variable function of t
Rob Krueger: Students get very frustrated at this point
Kris Green: It's probably a memory issue - look at the mem marker (66MB)!
Sarah Raynor: yeah, we had memory issues with this worksheet
Kris Green: Might need to reduce the number of frames on the previous animations
Rob Krueger: Russ and Mike, can you speak to student frustration with Maple?
Kris Green: 25 frames seems to be much better - faster and no memory issues...
3:25 PM
Steve Hennagin: I am struggling with it, so I wonder what I can do to help my students on their journey through Maple. Perhaps we will discuss this on the listserve?
Sarah Raynor: It ran as is on my machine. Every machine is different
Sarah Raynor: My feeling is, student frustration happens. They have to be led/pushed through it
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Kris Green: Sorry about this everyone...
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Peggy Craft: Reference to listserve: for maple users or MVC teachers? we had one for HS teachers of MVC but it sort of died... not enough of us?
Susan Wildstrom: Actually there just wasn't a lot of traffic. We numbered more than 50.
Kris Green: I've also found MAPLE 11's file management to be clunky - it grinds away forever saving even the smallest files on my PC
3:30 PM
Sarah Raynor: The later part of the worksheet is just exercises, no more big animations coming
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Sarah Raynor: YOu're right, I'm spoiled because we have identical laptops
Sarah Raynor: for all students faculty and staff
Kris Green: Snack point?
Peggy Craft: FYI: vnc froze but OK on restart. (Your ITS people might be keeping records 
Russell Blyth: thanks
Peggy Craft: Maybe we all skipped lunch to work on our worksheets...
Sarah Raynor: lol
3:35 PM
Jonathan Cox: Can you try inviting Jan Hlavacek? I've tried but it kicks him out.
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Russell Blyth: done
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Russell Blyth: oops
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3:40 PM
Lyndell Kerley: You have to see the code for an understanding. Modules and procedures are utilized.
Steve Hennagin: nice job, kerleylm
Peggy Craft: I sure hope these projects are going to be graded on a curve 
Sarah Raynor: me too, since our's crashed the teacher's computer
Steve Hennagin: if so, I will be taking the course over more than once
Susan Wildstrom: You can actually tell who has used Maple a lot and who the newbies are.
Steve Hennagin: I'm a newbie
3:45 PM
Mike May: PREP-MAPLE-2007@ENTERPRISE.MAA.ORG
Russell Blyth: http://www.maplesoft.com/academic/adoption/index.aspx
Peggy Craft: QT is breaking up, so please put this detail on the website somewhere please - ah: urls here are good, but again: on the page or listserve too please!
Russell Blyth: ok
Sarah Raynor: you can download the aim log from the webpage
Sarah Raynor: in case you forget something that was said in the chat
Susan Wildstrom: Last year they talked to me about a Maple Adoption plan. They are eager to please.
Steve Hennagin: Thanks for the good info
Peggy Craft: ah - I didn't know about aim logs - thanks!
3:50 PM
Russell Blyth: Another really nice link is http://www.maplesoft.com/applications/index.aspx the Maple application center
Peggy Craft: i like it like it is...
Rob Krueger: For some reason, the plot wouldn't work
3:55 PM
John Willemain: I was playing with this as well. If you use evalf in front of these, it will get rid of the RootOf values and look more like the previous answers.
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Kris Green: No problem
Sarah Raynor: why, you want to preserve the errors for posterity 
Richard Wilders: Can you create packages of routnies to load? Like with(Plots) and so on?
Andrea Frazier: Can we see a list of projects that have been recieved but not posted yet?
Lyndell Kerley: Are these projects going to be available for download?
Kris Green: No problem
Peggy Craft: I want to learn how to recurse in maple. I can't sell maple over mathcad without it...
Susan Wildstrom: What does the transcript mean?
Lyndell Kerley: Mike,
Peggy Craft: Euler's method or newton's, yes.
4:00 PM
Russell Blyth: http://euler.slu.edu/GrantWebPages/PREP07Calc3Maple/transcripts.html
Susan Wildstrom: Thanks
Lyndell Kerley: Mike, I left the authors off odeWithComponentsAndModules.mw. I will send you the file with the authors indicated.
Sarah Raynor: thank you, bye!
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Kris Green: Bye all! Thanks for comments on our work
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Meg Onoda: thanks!
Bret Taylor: Peace to all!
Jen Roche: thanks Russell and Mike!
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Steve Hennagin: wow, what good work
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Peggy Craft: good day!
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