AIM Chat with Bill Abrams , Chirashree Bhattacharya , Anne Collins , Benjamin Collins , Tom Hoffman , Dennis Keeler, Edward Moy , Julianne Rainbolt , Jen Roche , Daniel Shown , Gordon Swain , Gordon Williams , Shaochen Yang , Daylene Zielinski .
2:19 PM
Russell Blyth: Hi
Julianne Rainbolt: good afternoon
Gordon Swain: Hello
Benjamin Collins: Hello, all.
Chirashree Bhattacharya: hi
Daniel Shown: hi
Julianne Rainbolt: hello
Russell Blyth: VNC is up
Tom Hoffman: sorry I had to leave early before, students at my door
Bill Abrams: The one serious disadvantage to an online course.
Dennis Keeler: don't get to try new restaurants either. 
Benjamin Collins: This job would be a lot easier without those pesky students.
Jen Roche: I have a question about files
Tom Hoffman: or the classes
Dennis Keeler: I'm OK with the 100 or so students I interact with each year. It's the other 16,000 who really annoy me.
Russell Blyth: Yes, Jen
Jen Roche: So you LogTo a file
2:25 PM
Jen Roche: suppose you want to reopen and run it and add to it
Russell Blyth: Uh huh
Jen Roche: ?
Jen Roche: commands?
Jen Roche: Read("file") or Append("file");
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Tom Hoffman: I don't think you can start logging to an existing file, LogTo will over write the old file
Julianne Rainbolt: yes I think it does overwrite
Julianne Rainbolt: we are looking up append
Dennis Keeler: yes, just tested it. It does overwrite.
Tom Hoffman: Append doesn't work on files
Jen Roche: AppendTo
Jen Roche: ?
Tom Hoffman: AppendTo doesn't work like LogTo
Daniel Shown: video is up at rtsp://165.134.240.35/GAP060712pm1.sdp
Tom Hoffman: You can add to the file but it wont do everything you type
Russell Blyth: Exactly
Russell Blyth: Video is up
Russell Blyth: Anyone NOT Ok with video?
Julianne Rainbolt: use the InputLogTo command if you want to read something in later (not the LogTo command)
2:30 PM
Julianne Rainbolt: Russell is addressing this by talking
Benjamin Collins: Are you going to show us about "Work spaces"?
Russell Blyth: Edward, video OK?
Julianne Rainbolt: we may a note to talk about work spaces at some point
Tom Hoffman: WorkSpaces do have problems if you want to change versions of GAP, might be a problem if you are sharing work with students.
Edward Moy: Everything is working fine.
Dennis Keeler: thanks. It's athttp://euler.slu.edu/GrantWebPages/PREP06AlgebraGap/tex/Section02_06.tex
2:35 PM
Gordon Williams: that's very cool
2:40 PM
Benjamin Collins: Thank you.
Bill Abrams: I have lost sound. Anyone else?
2:45 PM
Benjamin Collins: Sound OK here.
Julianne Rainbolt: we're OK on sound
Tom Hoffman: ok here
Shaochen Yang: fine here
Gordon Swain: OK
Dennis Keeler: it's cut out for a half second a few times
Russell Blyth: x^(p-1)-1
2:50 PM
Dennis Keeler: Could remind students of Fermat's Little Theorem. Gallian does FLT in the Lagrange Theorem chapter.
2:55 PM
Benjamin Collins: That they are all plus/minus 1.
Brian Walter: they're all 1 or -1
Benjamin Collins: I really wanted to have something stronger than that.
Tom Hoffman: -2 in last factor
Gordon Williams: 4th line in the middle
Gordon Williams: there's another one
Russell Blyth: video down - good time for Q's and comments
3:00 PM
Russell Blyth: we're back
Russell Blyth: ...pm2
Gordon Williams: link?
Russell Blyth: Still Q time, though, as screen movie is saving
Benjamin Collins: So what are the odds that a student would look at that mess and not even see the 2's as coefficients.?
Gordon Williams: 98.3%
Gordon Williams: 
Gordon Williams: but someone in a class would
Bill Abrams: This is a chance for those detail oriented students who have real trouble with theory to shine.
Julianne Rainbolt: we are back - any one with problems
Russell Blyth: Any problems?
Gordon Williams: link?
Daniel Shown: rtsp://165.134.240.35/GAP060712pm2.sdp
Gordon Williams: thanks
Brian Walter: i'm reading in the help files about Terms, Coeffs, etc. that tell you things about polynomials, but GAP doesn't seem to recognize those functions. any ideas?
3:05 PM
Gordon Williams: What IS a workspace?
Tom Hoffman: Terms is part of a package, not GAP
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Tom Hoffman: note that a workspace is not a text file. you can't go look at it like a log file
3:10 PM
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Gordon Williams: yeah
Gordon Williams: I'm good
Julianne Rainbolt: Gordon W any problems?
Gordon Williams: no
Julianne Rainbolt: ok
Gordon Williams: didn't even notice I'd dropped chat until I got reinvited
Gordon Williams: we're doing section 15?
Julianne Rainbolt: starting section 13
Julianne Rainbolt: on vector spaces
Gordon Williams: got it
3:20 PM
Brian Walter: sounds like the cops are onto you two
Gordon Williams: homeland security more likely, they are members of the al'gebra movement (you were all thinking it, someone had to say it)
Gordon Swain: p*(p+1)+1
3:25 PM
Julianne Rainbolt: yes which equals what russell has
Gordon Swain: symmetry? (generic geometric answer)
Julianne Rainbolt: video down
3:30 PM
Daniel Shown: rtsp://165.134.240.35/GAP060712pm3.sdp
Russell Blyth: Video up
Jen Roche: just so you know, there's a nasty thunderstorm headed this way, so if I disappear, that's why
Julianne Rainbolt: ok
Russell Blyth: we are starting section 14
Julianne Rainbolt: Other questions?
Julianne Rainbolt: Volunteers yet?
Julianne Rainbolt: everyone OK?
Russell Blyth: anyone NOT ok?
3:35 PM
Benjamin Collins: It can be very confusing to us.
Tom Hoffman: this should make it easy to see subfields
Benjamin Collins: Clear as day.
Benjamin Collins: Well, a kind of cloudy day.
Bill Abrams: I think I have it. Any suggestions about how to explain it to the students.
Julianne Rainbolt: Just need to be clear about where elements live
3:40 PM
Gordon Williams: please feel free to do more examples on this one
Bill Abrams: I think I want your students.
Gordon Williams: k, thanks\
Gordon Williams: so explain please why Z(2) showed up in the elements of GF(2^2)^2>
Gordon Williams: er, ?
3:45 PM
Gordon Williams: same difference in terms of my confusion over notation
Gordon Williams: yeah, but aren't the elements corresponding to Z(2^2) in Z(2^4) different that their natural description in Z(2^?
Gordon Williams: I understand there is an isomorphism
Gordon Williams: but the notation doen't respect that the groups are different
Tom Hoffman: gap uses Conway polynomials to generate finite fields, so all subfields are naturally compatible
Gordon Williams: description reflects order properties not context then?
Julianne Rainbolt: yes
3:50 PM
Gordon Williams: ok
Tom Hoffman: why can't we look at the elements of F?
3:55 PM
Tom Hoffman: I tried that.
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Tom Hoffman: Could this be used on page 1 to avoid the messy notation?
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4:00 PM
Daylene Zielinski: Yeah! I'm back!
Daylene Zielinski: I was lost in cyberspace.
Julianne Rainbolt: Anything?
Daylene Zielinski: I had QT up the whole time. I'm cool.
Benjamin Collins: G'night.
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Julianne Rainbolt: bye!
Russell Blyth: qt down
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Julianne Rainbolt: video is off
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Russell Blyth: vnc down
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